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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880022" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880022">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> -- planning meeting!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880261" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880261">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<h1>Announcements</h1>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880468" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880468">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
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<li>Hmm I see we need to add some notes/minutes from <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Ameeting-proposal+label%3Ameeting-scheduled">a number of prior meetings</a></li>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880611" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880611">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>But apart from that we have a pretty <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Ameeting-proposal+-label%3Ameeting-scheduled">minimal list</a> this time around</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880641">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>shall we track whose doing which by assigning those meeting proposal issues?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880669" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880669">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'l take <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/267">compiler-team#267</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880755" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880755">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, I'll do <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/287">#287</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199880977" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199880977">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>Two other meetings that need some notes/minutes:</p>
<ul>
<li>survey overview and discussion <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/290">compiler-team#290</a></li>
<li>CGU partitioning <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/281">compiler-team#281</a></li>
</ul>
<p>note that I think it's just fine to push something minimal with the write-up and links to the zulip-archive, though it's always nice to extract a bit more out ... any conclusions, major points in the discussion, etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881046" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881046">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm happy to do the write up for the CGU meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881143" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881143">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>In terms of the proposed meetings, we have:</p>
<ul>
<li>Areas of the compiler meeting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a></li>
<li>merge llvm.sideeffect change <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/177">compiler-team#177</a></li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881179" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881179">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>One question is -- should we close <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/177">compiler-team#177</a>?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881193" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881193">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Like, we don't seem that eager to have a <em>meeting</em> about it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881240">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm yeah, I think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881249">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>It seems like we're at a bit of a stalemate, there were some ideas to chip away at the problem (which I support) by looking for <code>loop { }</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881267" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881267">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>not sure there's more to say at this juncture though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881268" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881268">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>when it does go in I think at this point I'd prefer a MCP for changes in that area</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881301" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881301">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or just a PR perhaps)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881321" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881321">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>depends I guess on the scope of the change but yes that makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881362" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881362">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>was there an open todo item for <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/177">compiler-team#177</a> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881457" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881457">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>our last comment was that we were going to write a blog post</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881473" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881473">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>which <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> did</p>



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<p>and that we were going to have some comments on an internals thread</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881491">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>which was done</p>



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<p>(do we have a tracking issue for this btw?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881513" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881513">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm I think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881537" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881537">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>(it'd be nice to compile links to all these things and ideas for future reference)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881575" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881575">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/28728">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/28728</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881664" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881664">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>side note that I feel like having this meeting proposal and revisiting it periodically has sort of served a "keep talking about this long-standing issue" function, it's kind of a gap in our current set of meetings :) I'm not sure <em>this</em> is precisely the issue I would choose to use that mechanism for in general though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881733" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881733">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>so maybe we can update that tracking issue with links and notes and close the meeting proposal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881739" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881739">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>it <em>is</em> getting the reduced frequency effect</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881767">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e. i've talked about having ways to say "visit this topic every month instead of every week"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881784" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881784">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>and this is basically doing that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881799" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881799">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881809" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881809">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>(having the meeting proposal just sitting there)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881819">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm just sort of observing that it's useful and I could imagine it being useful for other things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881843" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881843">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe to some extent in place of the periodic WG check-ins</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881848" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881848">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>or in addition to</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881891" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881891">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>but as you say, it also would be better to encode that in other ways than a meeting proposal for a meeting that's never going to happen</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881898">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., a focus more on the <em>goals</em> that the team (via project groups etc) are supposed to be achieving</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881899" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881899">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, it does seem perhaps useful. certainly there's a chance it'll spark someone's interest to go implement minimal set (e.g. loop {} only or so)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881934" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881934">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>or on long-standing issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881954" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881954">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>we could perhaps have something like the lang team "bucket of ideas" that's been talked about?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199881981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199881981">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's an interesting question: Should we have a "long standing soundness bugs" wg?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882003" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882003">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882045">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess that could just generalize to "long standing bugs"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882047" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882047">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>because we don't ahve the abndwidth for the ones we hvae :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882056" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882056">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>true that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882100" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882100">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway that .. kind of .. segues into the next meeting proposal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882136" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882136">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>(to be less flippant, maybe yes, if we had the right folks interested in it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882153" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882153">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I am not sure it's the right way to organize things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882213" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882213">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>(vs say issues in an area, and not just "all soundness issues")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882219" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882219">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah its probably better for it to be something we talk about across the team, but just infrequently for each particular bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882241">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>or per-area, as you say</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882256" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882256">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882298" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882298">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>so there is one meeting proposal then</p>
<ul>
<li>Areas of the compiler Meeting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/288">compiler-team#288</a></li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882316" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882316">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>we are sort of planning to try and "prototype" via the windows notify group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882349" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882349">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>though we've not "pulled the trigger" on that yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882406" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882406">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>but <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> and I did all the work basically just have to go and merge PRs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882431" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882431">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think this is still something worth talking about</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882553" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882553">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Though I wonder just what would be the best <em>focus</em> for the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882638" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882638">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess probably feedback on the general concept and how to organize it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882765" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882765">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>"plumbing" is an interesting area</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882768" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882768">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway curious to hear what others think; another option would be to delay till next round (July, in other words)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882807" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882807">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05/near/199882638">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I guess probably feedback on the general concept and how to organize it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yeah probably something like that is a good way to start</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199882897" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199882897">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm trying to decide if "plumbing" is too broad; is it acting as a catch-all? I guess we really <em>should</em> have people thinking about these deep bits of infrastructure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883121" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883121">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05/near/199882768">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>anyway curious to hear what others think; another option would be to delay till next round (July, in other words)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>this can also wait for sure, I may not know how our process works here but if we delay this, what our meetings are gonna be about? I meant, given the lack right now of other proposals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883148" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883148">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>trying to understand how this really works :), I guess I'm missing something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883169" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883169">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, can we take a moment to identify the main differences between "areas" (or "teams for an area") and "working groups"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883171" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883171">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><del>Should "plumbing" really just be "the query system"?</del></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883173" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883173">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05/near/199882897">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm trying to decide if "plumbing" is too broad; is it acting as a catch-all? I guess we really <em>should</em> have people thinking about these deep bits of infrastructure</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think this is a bit in the weeds for the moment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883198" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883198">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>but might be a good question to discuss in the meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883294" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883294">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116083">pnkfelix</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05/near/199883169">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Also, can we take a moment to identify the main differences between "areas" (or "teams for an area") and "working groups"?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think areas replace working groups</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883301" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883301">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. I think part of intent is that working-groups should have 1. specific goals, 2. regular meetings, and 3. checkins at T-compiler meeting. Areas have ... none of those?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883315">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>areas replace <strong>all</strong> working groups?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883326" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883326">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah I misread that I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883339" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883339">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>but there is a concept of <em>project groups</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883362" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883362">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>I saw it said "replace working groups that don't have specific goals"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883388" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883388">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah basically that is what I mean</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883390" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883390">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>like diagnostics or llvm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883396" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883396">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do you intend for all areas (or "teams for an area") to have regular meetings then?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883407" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883407">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883410" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883410">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>or only project groups?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883422" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883422">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>neither?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883431" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883431">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I mean I think meetings are something people can do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883437" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883437">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>if they find it useful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883456">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>i see</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883627">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>So I do understand that meetings can be a burden (in terms of coordination, and synchronization, etc)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883687" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883687">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>but if you default to "we don't expect meetings", then that might imply that people are instead expected to monitor the full contents of the associated zulip stream</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883714" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883714">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>(which, hey, maybe people were expected to do that anyway, what do I know)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883765" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883765">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah maybe</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883774" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883774">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess I dont' want to derail the meeting with a debate over whether meetings are valuable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883804">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it does worry me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883805">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there might also just be a few leads</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883810" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883810">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>that keep things in their heads</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883818" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883818">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>and people check in with them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883835" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883835">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>or tracking issues that are updated</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883847" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883847">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883856" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883856">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p><del>Do areas get checked in on at the compiler triage meeting?</del></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883917" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883917">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, this is officially having the meeting now :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883931" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883931">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh right</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883937" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883937">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883939" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883939">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sorry, sorry, sorry! <span aria-label="laughing" class="emoji emoji-1f606" role="img" title="laughing">:laughing:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883952">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p><em>that's</em> why you said we were getting in the weeds before</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199883986" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199883986">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>when there's only one proposal, its easy to fall into that trap</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884004" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884004">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>hehe, right :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884039" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884039">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, well, I think its fair to say that people are interested in teasing this apart</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884053" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884053">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>and figuring out how to make it work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884071" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884071">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is it too late to file a meeting request for "survey results 2"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884077" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884077">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>so that means, to me, that we <em>should</em> have this meeting (about "areas of the compiler"), at some point</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884093" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884093">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>since we don't seem to have a huge number of other meetings</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884168">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't object to an ad hoc "survey results 2" proposal</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884245">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125250">@Wesley Wiser</span>  to be clear: This is about analyzing the results of the <em>second</em> survey, right? not revisiting the results from the first survey a second time?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884298" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884298">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Uh no this was going to be about continuing the discussion from the compiler team survey</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884330" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884330">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>It seemed like there was a lot of stuff that didn't get covered</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884463">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>If there's not interest in continuing that discussion, that's fine. It just seemed we ran out of time.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884483">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I see. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> what do you think about a second round on the compiler team survey? For that matter, do we need a second round on the roadmap?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884493" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884493">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hopefully not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884543" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884543">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>(sorry, dropped afk for a sec)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884623" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884623">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>I tink a sceond round on survey would be fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884644" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884644">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>if somebody wants to organize it so to speak</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884673" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884673">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., pick the topics</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884695" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884695">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway so we have</p>
<ul>
<li>June 12</li>
<li>June 19</li>
<li>June 26</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884756">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we should try not to jam pack it :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884853" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884853">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>so let's not do a second round on roadmap right now, I think we covered it enough personally, and I think the "areas" discussion also informs it to some extent</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884898" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884898">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., areas is kind of about "how should we organize ourselves" and I think separating out the idea of "a part of the compiler where we are doing work" from "specific projects" is a good idea,</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884929">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I think the right way to pick the set of projects is to strt with zero and then say 'let people propose the things they can lead'</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884939" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884939">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>and not so much try to dictate what we do from top down</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199884950" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199884950">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>because that's a way to get "unfunded mandates" it seems</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885143" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885143">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay so now <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125250">@Wesley Wiser</span> has opened <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/302">compiler-team#302</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885152" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885152">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I filed <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/302">compiler-team#302</a> for continuing the compiler team survey results discussion. If people don't want to continue that discussion, that's fine too <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span> )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885179" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885179">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>one issue with a second round of survey results</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885214" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885214">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>is that if someone other than niko or myself run it, then they will have to figure out its agenda without access to the original surveys</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885252" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885252">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is probably fine; the main things were all transcribed anonymously in to the hackmd's that niko and i made before</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885315" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885315">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I think all it takes is to pick one or two themes probably</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885321" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885321">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>and run with it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885340" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885340">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that's probably fine.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885486">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok so -- what 2 weeks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885491" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885491">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>is it wrong of me to feel like we don't need to have either of these meetings <strong>soon</strong>? Like we could take next week off?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885496" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885496">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler.2Fmeetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05/near/199884695">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>anyway so we have</p>
<ul>
<li>June 12</li>
<li>June 19</li>
<li>June 26</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885525" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885525">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was going to suggest the same</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885640">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>so if we do each meeting on the 19th and 26th</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885650" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885650">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>its possible that the survey results meeting might inform the areas of the compiler one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885674" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885674">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I would suggest, <em>if</em> we do the survey II meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885697">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>then I'd suggest doing it on the 19th</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885732" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885732">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I was careful not to volunteer to run that meeting in that message</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885752" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885752">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or at least not to prepare it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199885867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199885867">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok wfm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886168">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>does anyone here want to volunteer to prepare the survey results II meeting for the 19th?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886217" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886217">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can do that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886236">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'm willing to help; I just don't want to be stuck doing it on my own.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886243" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886243">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay great</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886429">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK -- so we're settled on</p>
<ul>
<li>June 19 -- survey 2.0</li>
<li>June 26 -- areas</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886463" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886463">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's also true that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="198054">@mark-i-m</span>, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> and (to a lesser extent) I should try to do a write-up of the contributor survey take-aways</p>



<a name="199886518"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886518" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886518">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not all the free-form entries were public so we can't expose the raw data)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886533" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886533">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>but anyway</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886624" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886624">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>reviewing those might make for a nice meeting proposal for next round :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886658" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886658">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886665">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess let's call the meeting then :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886708" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886708">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>Next steps:</p>
<ul>
<li>adjust the compiler team calendar</li>
<li>tag the relevant issues</li>
<li>write an announcement blog post</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886777" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886777">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>plus </p>
<ul>
<li>add summaries from previous meetings</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886839" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886839">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>usually I do those things but if anybody wants to help with them I wouldn't mind :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886872" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886872">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> let me try to help with that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886892" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886892">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I really need to get on top of learning how to do basic maintenance like this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199886965" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199886965">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wrote up the steps I do <a href="https://forge.rust-lang.org/compiler/steering-meeting/how-to-run-planning.html">on forge</a> at some point</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199887047" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199887047">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks all for attending <span aria-label="heart eyes" class="emoji emoji-1f60d" role="img" title="heart eyes">:heart_eyes:</span> !</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199888236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199888236">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>btw, I've been keeping up a bit with the contributor survey results, and I am planning to do some sort of summary/writeup (it might take a while though, we're almost at 400 responses!)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199888286" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mark-i-m <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199888286">(Jun 05 2020 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>(which is more than I expected)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199895902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199895902">(Jun 05 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>wow!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning%20meeting%202020.06.05/near/199896082" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/238009-t-compiler/meetings/topic/planning.20meeting.202020.2E06.2E05.html#199896082">(Jun 05 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, really surprising, I was surprised when we were around 200, now I'm double surprised :)</p>



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